Lenovo ThinkPad P16 vs MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 Comparison

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Lenovo ThinkPad P16 vs MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 Comparison Overview

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In this review, we will be comparing ThinkPad P16 and Raider GE78 HX 2023, two laptops from Lenovo and MSI. Lenovo ThinkPad P16 was introduced to market in February 2023 and MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 was launched in January 2023. There is only 1 months difference between ThinkPad P16 and Raider GE78 HX 2023 so we are expecting this to be a fair comparison regarding age and technology level.

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Here is a brief look at the main features of Lenovo ThinkPad P16 and MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 before getting into our more detailed comparison.

Lenovo ThinkPad P16 Key Specs

Launched in February 2023
16.0" IPS LCD, 16:10 Aspect Ratio Display
CPU: Intel Core i5 13600HX
GPU: RTX A1000 Mobile 4GB
16GB Ram
363.98 x 265.94 x 30.23 mm (14.33 x 10.47 x 1.19 inches)
Weight: 2.95 kg (6.5 lbs)

MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 Key Specs

Launched in January 2023
17.0" IPS LCD, 16:10 Aspect Ratio Display
CPU: Intel Core i9 13950HX
GPU: GeForce RTX 4070 Mobile 8GB
16GB Ram
380 x 298 x 23 mm (14.96 x 11.73 x 0.91 inches)
Weight: 3.1 kg (6.84 lbs)

Let's read on the following sections in order to better understand in detail how ThinkPad P16 and Raider GE78 HX 2023 compares and decide which one is better for you.

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Reasons to choose Lenovo ThinkPad P16 over MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023

Weight	2.95 kg vs 3.10 kg	0.15 kg lighter
Screen-to-Body Ratio	~76.7% vs ~74%	Larger screen area ratio
Screen PPI	142 ppi vs 133 ppi	More pixels per inch
Screen Opening Angle	180° vs 130°	More flexible screen
Max Total RAM	128 GB vs 64 GB	Higher RAM potential
Dolby Atmos Speakers	Yes vs No	3D Surround Sound Support
Fingerprint Sensor	Yes vs No	Easy login with fingerprint
Touchpad Size	11.5 x 6.76 cm vs 10.5 x 6.5 cm	Larger Touchpad Area

Reasons to choose MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 over Lenovo ThinkPad P16

Side Bezel Thickness	6.9 mm vs 9.7 mm	2.8 mm thinner bezels
Display Size	17 inches vs 16 inches	Larger Screen Estate
Refresh Rate	165 Hz vs 60 Hz	Smoother media experience
GPU Fabrication Process	4 nm vs 8 nm	Newer Generation GPU
GPU FLOPS	21.3 TFLOPS vs 4.92 TFLOPS	Connects to the local network via Ethernet RJ45
Ethernet RJ45 Port	Yes vs No	Lower Price (*may change depending on config, seller, location, and time)
Avg. MSRP Price	$2400-2800 vs $3200-3600

Common Strengths of MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 and Lenovo ThinkPad P16

Launch Dates	February 2023 vs January 2023	Both laptops are recent models
Screen Coating	Matte vs Matte	Less reflections on the screen
Fast Charging Support	Yes vs Yes	Charge the battery in a shorter time
USB Power Delivery	Yes vs Yes	Charging via USB port gives flexibility
Upgradable RAM	Yes vs Yes	Option to increase the RAM size
Upgradable Storage	Yes vs Yes	Option to increase the Storage size
SSD Type	NVMe vs NVMe	Faster Data Transfers
Wi-Fi Standard	v6E vs v6E	Fast and Reliable Wi-Fi Connections
Thunderbolt Port	v4 vs v4	Fast data and power transfer via Thunderbolt Port
HDMI Output	1x HDMI 2.1 vs 1x HDMI 2.1	Connect to External Displays via HDMI cable
VGA Output	No vs No	Connect to External Displays via VGA cable
Built-in SD Card Reader	Yes vs Yes	Read & Write SD Cards
Numeric Pad	Yes vs Yes	Fast way to input numbers
Keyboard Backlight	Yes vs Yes	Easily see the keys under low light

Common Weaknesses of MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 and Lenovo ThinkPad P16

Touchscreen Capability	No vs No	No Touchscreen Capability
HDR Support	No vs No	No HDR Support

Lenovo ThinkPad P16 vs MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023: Physical Specs Comparison

In this section, we will be comparing the physical specifications and body features of the Lenovo ThinkPad P16 and the MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023.

Physical Specs
Weight	2.95 kg (6.5 lbs)	3.1 kg (6.84 lbs)
Surface Area	968 cm2 (150 inches2)	1132 cm2 (175.5 inches2)
Screen to Surface Ratio	~76.7%	~74%
Side Bezel Thickness	~9.7 mm	~6.9 mm
Weight per Inch of Screen	0.18 kg/inch	0.18 kg/inch
	0.396 lbs/inch	0.396 lbs/inch
Colors	Black, Gray	Black, Gray
Cover Opening Angle	180Â°	130Â°

Comparison of the Lenovo ThinkPad P16 and the MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 External Dimensions

Weight

ThinkPad P16 weighs 2.95 kg (6.5 lbs), whereas the Raider GE78 HX 2023 weighs 3.1 kg (6.84 lbs). There is a notable difference in weight between these two laptops. However, it's important to consider that comparing their weights directly may not provide a complete picture since they also have different display sizes.

Weight Comparison

Lenovo ThinkPad P16 2.95 kg

Avg: 16.0-16.9" 2.07 kg

MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 3.10 kg

Avg: larger than 17.0" 2.74 kg

Thickness Comparison

Lenovo ThinkPad P16 30.23 mm

Avg: 16.0-16.9" 20.35 mm

MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 23.00 mm

Avg: larger than 17.0" 24.26 mm

Another value that we use for comparing the weights of the laptops is the Weight per Inch of Screen, which is calculated by dividing the total weight of the model with its usable diagonal screen size. This value for the Lenovo ThinkPad P16 is 0.18 kg/inch.In comparison, this value for the MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 is 0.18 kg/inch.Here are some of the best performing laptops in this area:

Microsoft Surface Go 4: 0.05 kg/inch
LG Gram SuperSlim 15.6 2023: 0.06 kg/inch
Asus ProArt PZ13 HT5306: 0.06 kg/inch
Asus Zenbook A14 UX3407: 0.06 kg/inch
Dell Latitude 7330: 0.07 kg/inch
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Nano Gen 2: 0.07 kg/inch
LG Gram 14 2022: 0.07 kg/inch
LG Gram 14 2-in-1 2022: 0.07 kg/inch

Lenovo ThinkPad P16 vs MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023: Internals (CPU, GPU, RAM, Battery, SSD, etc.) Comparison

CPU Comparison

CPU Model	Intel Core i5 13600HX Intel Core i7 13700HX Intel Core i7 13850HX Intel Core i9 13950HX Intel Core i9 13980HX	Intel Core i9 13950HX Intel Core i9 13980HX
Base Frequency	2.6 GHz	2.2 GHz
Turbo Frequency	4.8 GHz	5.5 GHz
Number of Cores	14	24
Number of Threads	20	32
L3 Cache	24 MB	36 MB
Integrated GPU	Intel UHD Graphics (32EU)	Intel UHD Graphics (32EU)
CPU Fabrication Process	10 nm	10 nm
Geekbench 5 (Single)	1810	2037
Geekbench 5 (Multi)	13820	20175
Cinebench 23 (Single)	1885	2082
Cinebench 23 (Multi)	20463	28953

Above you can see the CPU options and the CineBench and GeekBench test scores for both laptops, which gives an idea about what kind of performance difference you may experience between the Lenovo ThinkPad P16 and MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023.

You may also read reviews of latest laptops with the same CPUs and compare them:

Laptops with: Intel Core i5 13600HX

Laptops with: Intel Core i9 13950HX

GPU Comparison

GPU Model	RTX A1000 Mobile 4GB RTX A2000 Mobile 8GB RTX A3000 Mobile 12GB RTX A4500 Mobile 16GB RTX A5500 Mobile 16GB	GeForce RTX 4070 Mobile 8GB GeForce RTX 4080 Mobile 12GB GeForce RTX 4090 Mobile 16GB
Base Clock Frequency	630 MHz	1395 MHz
Boost CLock Frequency	1140 MHz	1695 MHz
TGP (Total Graphics Power)	60 W	115 W
Type	Dedicated	Dedicated
FLOPS	4.669 TFLOPS	15.62 TFLOPS
Memory Size	4 GB	8 GB
Memory Type	GDDR6	GDDR6
Memory Bus	128 bit	128 bit
Memory Speed	1375 MHz 11 Gbps effective	2000 MHz 16 Gbps effective
Shading Units Cores	2048	4608
TMUs	64	144
ROPs	32	48

GPU is as critical as the CPU for graphic heavy applications and the table above gives a picture of how the two GPU compares. FLOPS is a measure of a GPU's performance based on the number of floating-point arithmetic calculations that the processor can perform within a second. Lenovo ThinkPad P16 has a FLOPS value of 4.92 TFLOPS whereas the MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 ' has a FLOPS value of 21.3 TFLOPS. If graphical performance of the laptop is important for your use type, the Lenovo ThinkPad P16 may be the better choice between these two setups.

RAM Comparison

RAM	16GB 32GB 64GB 128GB	16GB 32GB 64GB
Memory Bus	2x8 GB	2x8 GB
RAM Clock	4800 MHz	5600 MHz
RAM Type	DDR5	DDR5
Upgradable	Yes	Yes
Max RAM Size	128 GB	64 GB
Total Slots	4	2
Memory Bus	PCI-E Gen 4.0 (4x)

Both laptops, the ThinkPad P16 and the Raider GE78 HX 2023, come with similar RAM capacities of 16 GB, providing comparable performance in memory-intensive tasks.

LOCAL LLM Compatibility Evaluation

This quick guide shows what types of large language models (LLMs) each of these laptops could support, based on their respective hardware specifications. It's meant to help you compare their suitability for running AI models locally.

LLM Category	Lenovo ThinkPad P16	MSI Raider GE78 HX (2023)
Small Models(1-3B):Examples: Phi-2, Qwen-1.8B	✔ Run smoothly.	✔ Run smoothly.
Medium Models(7-8B):Examples: Mistral-7B, Qwen-7B	✖ Not supported.	✔ Good performance.
Large Models(13-30B):Examples: Mixtral, Qwen-14B	✖ Not supported.	✖ Not supported.
Extra-Large Models(65B+):Examples: LLaMA2-70B, Qwen1.5-72B	✖ Not supported on most systems. Requires high-end GPU or advanced setup.	✖ Not supported on most systems. Requires high-end GPU or advanced setup.

Note: Optimized (e.g., 4-bit) models may run on limited hardware. Performance depends on runtime and setup.

📌 MoE Models: Some models like Mixtral 8x7B and Qwen3-30B-A3B use a Mixture of Experts (MoE) design, activating only part of the model during inference. This means they can often run efficiently on laptops with 12–16 GB of VRAM when quantized.

BATTERY

BATTERY	94 Wh	99.9 Wh
Battery Type	Li-Po	Li-Ion
Replaceable	No	No
Fast Charging	Yes	Yes
USB Power Delivery	Yes	Yes
Charging Port Position	Bottom	Left, Right, Bottom
Charge Power	170 / 230 W	330 W
Full Charging Time	1:30 hr	2:30 hr

On the other hand, the Raider GE78 HX 2023 features a higher battery capacity of 100 Wh, delivering longer usage time compared to the ThinkPad P16's 94 Wh.

Battery Comparison

Lenovo ThinkPad P16 94 Wh

Avg: 16.0-16.9" 74.15 Wh

MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 100 Wh

Avg: larger than 17.0" 76.88 Wh

STORAGE
Both laptops, the ThinkPad P16 and the Raider GE78 HX 2023 have similar max. storage capacities of 4 TB, allowing for ample space to store files and applications.

Storage Options	256 GB, 512 GB, 1 TB, 2 TB, 4 TB	1 TB, 2 TB, 4 TB
Upgradable	Yes	Yes
Total Slots	2	2
Storage type	SSD (M2)	SSD (M2)
NVMe	Yes	Yes

If your budget allows, we recommend opting for the largest possible disk size, considering the potential increase in storage capacity needs in the future. However, please keep in mind the question 'What will the laptop be used for?' when making this decision. Of course, you can later upgrade the hard disk capacity by getting a larger disk. However, if your laptop has only one disk slot, it may not be as straightforward as a RAM upgrade, where you simply add or replace a module, as moving or cloning files to a new disk may be necessary.

Lenovo ThinkPad P16 vs MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023: Display Comparison

The display is an essential aspect to consider when comparing the Lenovo ThinkPad P16 and MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 since its is the component that you interact the most and significantly impact the experience.

Screen Area and Dimensions

Now let's look at the comparison of the actual display areas of both laptops below, keeping the bezels around the screens out of the equation. ThinkPad P16 has a display size of 16.0".On the other hand, Raider GE78 HX 2023 has a larger17.0" display.The total usable screen area of the ThinkPad P16 is 742cm² / 115inch² whereas the Raider GE78 HX 2023's total usable screen area is 838cm² / 130inch².

PPI (Pixels per Inch)
Additionally, the ThinkPad P16 features a higher pixel density with 142 pixels per inch (PPI), ensuring sharper image details.

Screen PPI (Pixels Per Inch) Comparison

Lenovo ThinkPad P16 142 PPI

Avg: 16.0-16.9" 169 PPI

MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 133 PPI

Avg: larger than 17.0" 141 PPI

Refresh Rate
The Raider GE78 HX 2023 offers a higher refresh rate of 165 Hz, resulting in smoother motion and improved visual experience.

Lenovo ThinkPad P16 vs MSI Raider GE78 HX 2023 Connectivity Comparison

In terms of connectivity,

Wifi
Both laptops offer the same Wi-Fi standard (v6E), ensuring fast and reliable wireless connections.

Below, you'll find a Wi-Fi Versions Table, along with their release dates and speeds, to provide a brief overview of its development.

Wi-Fi Versions and Speeds

Standard	Speed	Release Date	Network	Frequency Bands (GHz)
Wi-Fi 7	up to 40 Gbps (5 GB/s)	2023	802.11be	2.4, 5, 6
Wi-Fi 6E	up to 9.6 Gbps (1.2 GB/s)	2020	802.11ax	2.4, 5, 6
Wi-Fi 6	up to 9.6 Gbps (1.2 GB/s)	2019	802.11ax	2.4, 5
Wi-Fi 5	up to 6.93 Gbps (866.25 MB/s)	2014	802.11ac	2.4, 5
Wi-Fi 4	up to 600 Mbps (75 MB/s)	2009	802.11n	2.4, 5

* Please note that the provided transfer rates are maximum theoretical values, and real-life performance may vary based on environmental factors.

USB
Both ThinkPad P16 and Raider GE78 HX 2023 feature 2x USB 3.2 USB-A ports.
Both ThinkPad P16 and Raider GE78 HX 2023 feature 3x USB 4.0 USB Type-C ports.

Below, you'll find a table of USB ports, along with their release dates and speeds.
To mitigate the confusion caused by generation names, the USB Implementers Forum (USB-IF) suggests using marketing names like USB 5Gbps, USB 10Gbps, and so forth, based on their respective transfer rates.

USB Type and Speeds

USB Type	Version	Speed	Date	Other Features/Explanations
USB4	Gen 4 (2.0)	80 Gbps	2022	Also known as USB 80Gbps
USB4	Gen 3×2	40 Gbps	2019	Also known as USB 40Gbps
USB 3.2	3.2 Gen 2x2	20 Gbps	2019	Double the data transfer rates of Gen 2
USB 3.2	3.2 Gen 2	10 Gbps	2017	Previously known as USB 3.1
USB 3.2	3.2 Gen 1	5 Gbps	2017	Previously known as USB 3.0
USB 3.1	3.1 Gen 2	10 Gbps	2013	Faster data transfer rates
USB 3.0	3.1 Gen 1	5 Gbps	2010	SuperSpeed USB, improved data transfer rates
USB 2.0	2.0	480 Mbps	2000	High-speed data transfer
USB 1.0	1.0	1.5 Mbps	1996	Original USB standard

Thunderbolt
Both ThinkPad P16 and Raider GE78 HX 2023 are equipped with Thunderbolt 4 ports.

HDMI
Both ThinkPad P16 and Raider GE78 HX 2023 feature an HDMI port (1x HDMI 2.1) for connecting to external monitors.

Below, you'll find a comparison table detailing different HDMI versions, including their bandwidth, color depth, maximum resolution, and release dates. This information can be helpful in understanding the capabilities of each HDMI version and choosing the most suitable one for your needs.

HDMI Comparison Table

HDMI Version	Maximum Resolution	Bandwidth (Gbps)	Color Depth (bits)	Release Date
HDMI 2.1-2.1b	7680 x 4320 *(8K)* @ 60p 3840 x 2160 *(4K)* @ 120p	48.0	48	2017
HDMI 2.0-2.0b	3840 x 2160 *(4K)* @ 60p	18.0	48	2013
HDMI 1.4-1.4b	3840 x 2160 *(4K)* @ 30p	10.2	48	2009
HDMI 1.3-1.3a	2560 x 1440 @ 60p	10.2	48	2006
HDMI 1.0-1.2a	1920 x 1200 @ 60p	4.95	24	2002

* Please note that the provided resolution values represent the maximum supported resolution, and actual display quality may depend on other factors such as source content and connected devices.

SD Card Reader
Both ThinkPad P16 and Raider GE78 HX 2023 come with an SD Card Reader for easy access to memory cards.

Audio Jack
Both ThinkPad P16 and Raider GE78 HX 2023 are equipped with a 3.5mm Audio Jack, providing seamless connection to headphones and speakers.

To summarize the connectivity and ports details, please refer to the table below to see them listed.

Connectivity and Ports
WiFi Standard (latest: v7)	v6E	v6E
Bluetooth (latest: v5.4)	v5.3	v5.3
USB-A (latest: 3.2)	2x USB 3.2	2x USB 3.2
USB Type-C (latest: USB4 2.0)	3x USB 4.0	3x USB 4.0
Thunderbolt (latest: 4)	Thunderbolt 4	Thunderbolt 4
HDMI (latest: 2.1)	1x HDMI 2.1	1x HDMI 2.1
Display Port (latest: v2.0)	No	No
VGA	No	No
Fingerprint Sensor	Yes	No
Optical Drive	No	No
Audio Jack 3.5mm	Yes	Yes
Ethernet RJ45	No	Yes
SD CardReader	Yes	Yes
Proprietary Charging Port	Yes	Yes