Acer Predator Helios Neo 18 vs Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 Comparison

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In this review, we will be comparing Predator Helios Neo 18 and Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023, two laptops by Acer. Acer Predator Helios Neo 18 was introduced to market in January 2024 and Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 was launched in January 2023. There is 12 months difference between Predator Helios Neo 18 and Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 so it would still give an advantage to younger Predator Helios Neo 18.

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Predator Helios Neo 18 and Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 are members of Acer's Predator Helios series of laptops. Below you can find the latest models from this series.

Acer Predator Helios Series History

	Release Date	Screen Size	Dimensions	Weight
Acer Predator Helios Neo 14 PHN14-51	April 2024	14.5"	324.12 x 255.35 x 19.52-20.9 mm	1.9 kg (4.19 lbs)
Acer Predator Helios Neo 16	January 2024	16.0"	360 x 279.9 x 26.55-28.55 mm	2.6 kg (5.73 lbs)
Acer Predator Helios 18	January 2024	18.0"	404 x 311.6 x 26.9-28.9 mm	3.25 kg (7.17 lbs)
Acer Predator Helios Neo 18	January 2024	18.0"	404 x 311.6 x 26.9-28.9 mm	3.25 kg (7.17 lbs)
Acer Predator Helios 3D 15 SpatialLabs Edition	May 2023	15.6"	359.4 x 280.8 x 27.9 mm	2.98 kg (6.57 lbs)
Acer Predator Helios Neo 16 PHN16-71	April 2023	16.0"	360.1 x 279.9 x 26.55-28.25 mm	2.8 kg (6.17 lbs)
Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023	January 2023	16.0"	399.3 x 295.5 x 26.8-27.6 mm	2.7 kg (5.95 lbs)
Acer Predator Helios 18 PH18-71 2023	January 2023	18.0"	408 x 303 x 24.6-26.9 mm	3.25 kg (7.17 lbs)

Here is a brief look at the main features of Acer Predator Helios Neo 18 and Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 before getting into our more detailed comparison.

Acer Predator Helios Neo 18 Key Specs

Launched in January 2024
18.0" IPS LCD, 16:10 Aspect Ratio Display
CPU: Intel Core i7 14650HX
GPU: GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile 8GB
16GB Ram
404 x 311.6 x 26.9-28.9 mm (15.91 x 12.27 x 1.06-1.14 inches)
Weight: 3.25 kg (7.17 lbs)

Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 Key Specs

Launched in January 2023
16.0" IPS LCD, 16:10 Aspect Ratio Display
CPU: Intel Core i7 13700HX
GPU: GeForce RTX 4050 Mobile 6GB
16GB Ram
399.3 x 295.5 x 26.8-27.6 mm (15.72 x 11.63 x 1.06-1.09 inches)
Weight: 2.7 kg (5.95 lbs)

Let's read on the following sections in order to better understand in detail how Predator Helios Neo 18 and Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 compares and decide which one is better for you.

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Reasons to choose Acer Predator Helios Neo 18 over Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023

Screen-to-Body Ratio	~74.6% vs ~62.9%	Larger screen area ratio
Side Bezel Thickness	8.2 mm vs 27.3 mm	19.1 mm thinner bezels
Display Size	18 inches vs 16 inches	Larger Screen Estate
GPU FLOPS	16.8 TFLOPS vs 9.5 TFLOPS	Higher RAM potential
Max Total RAM	64 GB vs 32 GB	More advanced Bluetooth connectivity
Bluetooth	v5.3 vs v5.2

Reasons to choose Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 over Acer Predator Helios Neo 18

Weight	2.70 kg vs 3.25 kg	0.55 kg lighter
Screen PPI	189 ppi vs 126 ppi	More pixels per inch
Screen Resolution	2560 x 1600 pixels vs 1920 x 1200 pixels	Higher pixel count screen
USB-C Port Type	v4.0 vs v3.2	Faster USB-C connection
Thunderbolt	v4 vs No	Support audio, data, power and video all through one single port
Avg. MSRP Price	$800-1200 vs $2000-2400	Lower Price (*may change depending on config, seller, location, and time)

Common Strengths of Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 and Acer Predator Helios Neo 18

Launch Dates	January 2024 vs January 2023	Both laptops are recent models
Screen Coating	Matte vs Matte	Less reflections on the screen
Fast Charging Support	Yes vs Yes	Charge the battery in a shorter time
USB Power Delivery	Yes vs Yes	Charging via USB port gives flexibility
Upgradable RAM	Yes vs Yes	Option to increase the RAM size
RAM Type	DDR5 vs DDR5	Fast RAM type
Upgradable Storage	Yes vs Yes	Option to increase the Storage size
SSD Type	NVMe vs NVMe	Faster Data Transfers
Wi-Fi Standard	v6E vs v6E	Fast and Reliable Wi-Fi Connections
HDMI Output	1x HDMI 2.1 vs 1x HDMI 2.1	Connect to External Displays via HDMI cable
VGA Output	No vs No	Connect to External Displays via VGA cable
Ethernet RJ45 Port	Yes vs Yes	Fast connection to Network via ethernet cable
Built-in SD Card Reader	Yes vs Yes	Read & Write SD Cards
Numeric Pad	Yes vs Yes	Fast way to input numbers
Keyboard Backlight	Yes vs Yes	Easily see the keys under low light

Common Weaknesses of Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 and Acer Predator Helios Neo 18

Touchscreen Capability	No vs No	No Touchscreen Capability
HDR Support	No vs No	No HDR Support
Fingerprint Sensor	No vs No	No fingerprint login feature

Acer Predator Helios Neo 18 vs Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023: Physical Specs Comparison

In this section, we will be comparing the physical specifications and body features of the Acer Predator Helios Neo 18 and the Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023.

Physical Specs
Weight	3.25 kg (7.17 lbs)	2.7 kg (5.95 lbs)
Surface Area	1259 cm2 (195.2 inches2)	1180 cm2 (182.8 inches2)
Screen to Surface Ratio	~74.6%	~62.9%
Side Bezel Thickness	~8.2 mm	~27.3 mm
Weight per Inch of Screen	0.18 kg/inch	0.17 kg/inch
	0.396 lbs/inch	0.374 lbs/inch
Colors	Black	Black

Comparison of the Acer Predator Helios Neo 18 and the Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 External Dimensions

Weight

Predator Helios Neo 18 weighs 3.25 kg (7.17 lbs), whereas the Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 weighs 2.7 kg (5.95 lbs). There is a notable difference in weight between these two laptops. However, it's important to consider that comparing their weights directly may not provide a complete picture since they also have different display sizes.

Weight Comparison

Acer Predator Helios Neo 18

Avg: larger than 17.0"

Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023

Avg: 16.0-16.9"

Thickness Comparison

Acer Predator Helios Neo 18

Avg: larger than 17.0"

Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023

Avg: 16.0-16.9"

Another value that we use for comparing the weights of the laptops is the Weight per Inch of Screen, which is calculated by dividing the total weight of the model with its usable diagonal screen size. This value for the Acer Predator Helios Neo 18 is 0.18 kg/inch.In comparison, this value for the Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 is 0.17 kg/inch.Here are some of the best performing laptops in this area:

Microsoft Surface Go 4: 0.05 kg/inch
LG Gram SuperSlim 15.6 2023: 0.06 kg/inch
Asus ProArt PZ13 HT5306: 0.06 kg/inch
Asus Zenbook A14 UX3407: 0.06 kg/inch
Microsoft Surface Pro 12: 0.06 kg/inch
Asus ProArt PZ14 HT7407: 0.06 kg/inch
Dell Latitude 7330: 0.07 kg/inch
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Nano Gen 2: 0.07 kg/inch

Acer Predator Helios Neo 18 vs Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023: Internals Comparison

CPU Comparison

CPU Model	Intel Core i7 14650HX Intel Core i7 14700HX Intel Core i9 14900HX	Intel Core i7 13700HX Intel Core i9 13900HX
Base Frequency	2.2 GHz	2.1 GHz
Turbo Frequency	5.2 GHz	5 GHz
Number of Cores	16 (8P + 8E)	16
Number of Threads	24	24
L3 Cache	30 MB	30 MB
Integrated GPU	Intel UHD Graphics (16 EU)	Intel UHD Graphics (32EU)
CPU Fabrication Process	10 nm	10 nm
Cinebench 23 (Single)	1948	1969
Cinebench 23 (Multi)	21334	22925

Above you can see the CPU options and the CineBench and GeekBench test scores for both laptops, which gives an idea about what kind of performance difference you may experience between the Acer Predator Helios Neo 18 and Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023.

You may also read reviews of latest laptops with the same CPUs and compare them:

Laptops with: Intel Core i7 14650HX

Laptops with: Intel Core i7 13700HX

GPU Comparison

GPU Model	GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile 8GB GeForce RTX 4070 Mobile 8GB	GeForce RTX 4050 Mobile 6GB GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile 8GB GeForce RTX 4070 Mobile 8GB GeForce RTX 4080 Mobile 12GB
Base Clock Frequency	1545 MHz	1455 MHz
Boost CLock Frequency	1890 MHz	1755 MHz
TGP (Total Graphics Power)	140 W	140 W
Nvidia Optimus	MUX	Yes, Advanced Optimus
Type	Dedicated	Dedicated
FLOPS	16.8 TFLOPS	9.5 TFLOPS
Memory Size	8 GB	6 GB
Memory Type	GDDR6	GDDR6
Memory Bus	128 bit	96 bit
Memory Speed	~16 Gbps	~16 Gbps
Shading Units Cores	3072	2560
TMUs	96	80
ROPs	48	48

GPU is as critical as the CPU for graphic heavy applications and the table above gives a picture of how the two GPU compares. FLOPS is a measure of a GPU's performance based on the number of floating-point arithmetic calculations that the processor can perform within a second. Acer Predator Helios Neo 18 has a FLOPS value of 16.8 TFLOPS whereas the Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 ' has a FLOPS value of 9.5 TFLOPS. If graphical performance of the laptop is important for your use type, the Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 may be the better choice between these two setups.

RAM Comparison

RAM	16GB 32GB 64GB	16GB 32GB
Memory Bus	2x8 GB	2x8 GB
RAM Clock	5600 MHz	4800 MHz
RAM Type	DDR5	DDR5
Upgradable	Yes	Yes
Max RAM Size	64 GB	32 GB
Total Slots	2	2

Both laptops, the Predator Helios Neo 18 and the Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023, come with similar RAM capacities of 16 GB, providing comparable performance in memory-intensive tasks.

LOCAL LLM Compatibility Evaluation

This quick guide shows what types of large language models (LLMs) each of these laptops could support, based on their respective hardware specifications. It's meant to help you compare their suitability for running AI models locally.

LLM Category	Acer Predator Helios Neo 18	Acer Predator Helios 16 (PH16-71) 2023
CPU	Intel Core i7 14650HX	Intel Core i7 13700HX
GPU	GeForce RTX 4060 Mobile 8GB	GeForce RTX 4050 Mobile 6GB
Memory	16 GB ; 8 GB VRAM	16 GB ; 6 GB VRAM
Available for LLM total	~19.3 GB (6.5 GB VRAM 12.8 GB RAM)	~17.3 GB (4.5 GB VRAM 12.8 GB RAM)
Small Models (1-3B): Examples: Phi-2, Qwen-1.8B Requires ~2 GB memory	✔ Runs Smoothly fits in your 8 GB VRAM	✔ Runs Well fits in your 6 GB VRAM
Medium Models (7-8B): Examples: Mistral-7B, Qwen-7B Requires ~5 GB memory	✔ Runs Well fits in your 8 GB VRAM	✔ Modest Speed doesn't fit in 6 GB VRAM, spills to RAM (VRAM + RAM, slower)
Large Models
13-15B Models (e.g., Llama 3 14B, Qwen1.5 14B) Requires ~9 GB memory	⚠ Borderline / Slow doesn't fit in 8 GB VRAM, spills to RAM (VRAM + RAM, slower)	! Not Practical doesn't fit in 6 GB VRAM, spills to RAM (VRAM + RAM, slower)
16-24B Models (e.g., Dense 20B Q4 ~15.5GB) Requires ~14 GB memory	! Not Practical doesn't fit in 8 GB VRAM, spills to RAM (VRAM + RAM, slower)	! Not Practical doesn't fit in 6 GB VRAM, spills to RAM (VRAM + RAM, slower)
24-30B Models (e.g., Dense 30B Q4) Requires ~18 GB memory	! Not Practical doesn't fit in 8 GB VRAM, spills to RAM (VRAM + RAM, slower)	✖ Not Supported exceeds available RAM
MoE Models (Mixture-of-Experts) (e.g., Mixtral 8x7B - total ~47B, active ~12-13B) Requires ~24 GB memory	✖ Not Supported exceeds available RAM	✖ Not Supported exceeds available RAM
Extra-Large Models (65B+): Examples: LLaMA2-70B, Qwen1.5-72B Requires ~42 GB memory	✖ Not Supported exceeds available RAM	✖ Not Supported exceeds available RAM

For more detailed LLM evaluation (subcategories, performance ranges, memory breakdown)

Acer Predator Helios Neo 18|Acer Predator Helios 16 (PH16-71) 2023

Note: Optimized (e.g., 4-bit) models may run on limited hardware. Performance depends on runtime and setup.

📌 Model Types: Dense 30B Q4 models typically require around 19–22 GB of total VRAM, so they run best on systems with ≥24 GB VRAM. MoE models like Mixtral 8x7B (≈47B total parameters, usually ≈23–26 GB in 4-bit) also need high memory because all experts must be loaded, even though only a few are active per token. They reduce compute cost per token (similar to a ~12–13B dense model), but not memory usage, so they are not practical on 14–16 GB systems.

🚀 Modern NPU (Neural Processing Unit): Modern processors like AMD Ryzen AI and Intel Core Ultra feature NPU and unified memory architecture. NPUs provide modest performance gains (0-30% faster) with better power efficiency compared to iGPU-only execution. Real-world tests show ~3-10 tok/s range on 13B models with 32GB RAM (varies by runtime, quantization, and context), comparable to iGPU but more power-efficient. Note: These figures are examples from various NPU systems; actual performance depends on your specific hardware configuration.

Understanding Performance Categories

The performance descriptions use general categories because actual speed varies greatly based on your specific hardware, model optimization, context length, and runtime software.

Performance Level	Typical Range	User Experience
Runs Smoothly (High-end dGPU)	50+ tok/s	Real-time response. Feels instant, like ChatGPT.
Runs Well (Mid-range dGPU)	20-50 tok/s	Good interactive performance. Slight delay, but usable.
Modest Speed (iGPU/NPU/CPU)	5-20 tok/s	Usable for tasks that don't need instant responses. Noticeable typing delay.
Borderline / Slow (Limited hardware)	2-5 tok/s	Slow-Very slow. Patience required. Better for batch processing.
Not Practical	<2 tok/s	Too slow for regular use. May cause system hangs or instability.

💡 Tip: Your actual results may be higher or lower than these ranges. Test with your specific hardware to know for sure!

⚠️ Note: Performance categorization is based on VRAM capacity and RAM fallback status. GPU type (memory bandwidth, compute power) can also affect actual performance. Currently, we prioritize whether the model fits in VRAM or requires RAM fallback for classification. We may refine this categorization in future updates based on more detailed benchmarks.

BATTERY

BATTERY	90 Wh	90 Wh
Battery Type	Li-Ion	Li-Po
Replaceable	No	No
Fast Charging	Yes	Yes
USB Power Delivery	Yes	Yes
Charging Port Position	Bottom	Bottom
Charge Power	330 W	280 / 330 W
Full Charging Time	2:00 hr

Furthermore, both laptops have the same battery capacity of 90 Wh, ensuring comparable battery performance.

Battery Comparison

Acer Predator Helios Neo 18

Avg: larger than 17.0"

Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023

Avg: 16.0-16.9"

STORAGE
With a larger storage capacity up to 4 TB, the Predator Helios Neo 18 provides more space for storing files and applications compared to the Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023's max. storage capacity of 2 TB.

Storage Options	1 TB, 2 TB, 4 TB	512 GB, 1 TB, 2 TB
Upgradable	Yes	Yes
Total Slots	2	2
Storage type	SSD (M2)	SSD (M2)
NVMe	Yes	Yes
Memory Bus	PCI-E Gen 4.0 (4x)	PCI-E Gen 4.0 (4x)

If your budget allows, we recommend opting for the largest possible disk size, considering the potential increase in storage capacity needs in the future. However, please keep in mind the question 'What will the laptop be used for?' when making this decision. Of course, you can later upgrade the hard disk capacity by getting a larger disk. However, if your laptop has only one disk slot, it may not be as straightforward as a RAM upgrade, where you simply add or replace a module, as moving or cloning files to a new disk may be necessary.

Acer Predator Helios Neo 18 vs Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023: Display Comparison

The display is an essential aspect to consider when comparing the Acer Predator Helios Neo 18 and Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 since its is the component that you interact the most and significantly impact the experience.

Screen Area and Dimensions

Now let's look at the comparison of the actual display areas of both laptops below, keeping the bezels around the screens out of the equation. Predator Helios Neo 18 has a display size of 18.0".On the other hand, Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 has a smaller 16.0" display.The total usable screen area of the Predator Helios Neo 18 is 939cm² / 146inch² whereas the Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023's total usable screen area is 742cm² / 115inch².

PPI (Pixels per Inch)
Additionally, the Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 features a higher pixel density with 189 pixels per inch (PPI), ensuring sharper image details.

Screen PPI (Pixels Per Inch) Comparison

Acer Predator Helios Neo 18

Avg: larger than 17.0"

Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023

Avg: 16.0-16.9"

Refresh Rate
Both Predator Helios Neo 18 and Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 offer the same refresh rate of 165 Hz.

Acer Predator Helios Neo 18 vs Acer Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 Connectivity Comparison

In terms of connectivity,

Wifi
Both laptops offer the same Wi-Fi standard (v6E), ensuring fast and reliable wireless connections.

Below, you'll find a Wi-Fi Versions Table, along with their release dates and speeds, to provide a brief overview of its development.

Wi-Fi Versions and Speeds

Standard	Speed	Release Date	Network	Frequency Bands (GHz)
Wi-Fi 7	up to 40 Gbps (5 GB/s)	2023	802.11be	2.4, 5, 6
Wi-Fi 6E	up to 9.6 Gbps (1.2 GB/s)	2020	802.11ax	2.4, 5, 6
Wi-Fi 6	up to 9.6 Gbps (1.2 GB/s)	2019	802.11ax	2.4, 5
Wi-Fi 5	up to 6.93 Gbps (866.25 MB/s)	2014	802.11ac	2.4, 5
Wi-Fi 4	up to 600 Mbps (75 MB/s)	2009	802.11n	2.4, 5

* Please note that the provided transfer rates are maximum theoretical values, and real-life performance may vary based on environmental factors.

USB
Both Predator Helios Neo 18 and Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 feature 3x USB 3.2 USB-A ports.
Both Predator Helios Neo 18 and Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 have USB Type-C ports. Predator Helios Neo 18 has 2x USB 3.2 USB Type-C ports, while Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 has 2x USB 4.0 USB Type-C ports.

Below, you'll find a table of USB ports, along with their release dates and speeds.
To mitigate the confusion caused by generation names, the USB Implementers Forum (USB-IF) suggests using marketing names like USB 5Gbps, USB 10Gbps, and so forth, based on their respective transfer rates.

USB Type and Speeds

USB Type	Version	Speed	Date	Other Features/Explanations
USB4	Gen 4 (2.0)	80 Gbps	2022	Also known as USB 80Gbps
USB4	Gen 3×2	40 Gbps	2019	Also known as USB 40Gbps
USB 3.2	3.2 Gen 2x2	20 Gbps	2019	Double the data transfer rates of Gen 2
USB 3.2	3.2 Gen 2	10 Gbps	2017	Previously known as USB 3.1
USB 3.2	3.2 Gen 1	5 Gbps	2017	Previously known as USB 3.0
USB 3.1	3.1 Gen 2	10 Gbps	2013	Faster data transfer rates
USB 3.0	3.1 Gen 1	5 Gbps	2010	SuperSpeed USB, improved data transfer rates
USB 2.0	2.0	480 Mbps	2000	High-speed data transfer
USB 1.0	1.0	1.5 Mbps	1996	Original USB standard

Thunderbolt
Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 is equipped with Thunderbolt 4 port. Predator Helios Neo 18 does not have Thunderbolt port.

HDMI
Both Predator Helios Neo 18 and Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 feature an HDMI port (1x HDMI 2.1) for connecting to external monitors.

Below, you'll find a comparison table detailing different HDMI versions, including their bandwidth, color depth, maximum resolution, and release dates. This information can be helpful in understanding the capabilities of each HDMI version and choosing the most suitable one for your needs.

HDMI Comparison Table

HDMI Version	Maximum Resolution	Bandwidth (Gbps)	Color Depth (bits)	Release Date
HDMI 2.1-2.1b	7680 x 4320 *(8K)* @ 60p 3840 x 2160 *(4K)* @ 120p	48.0	48	2017
HDMI 2.0-2.0b	3840 x 2160 *(4K)* @ 60p	18.0	48	2013
HDMI 1.4-1.4b	3840 x 2160 *(4K)* @ 30p	10.2	48	2009
HDMI 1.3-1.3a	2560 x 1440 @ 60p	10.2	48	2006
HDMI 1.0-1.2a	1920 x 1200 @ 60p	4.95	24	2002

* Please note that the provided resolution values represent the maximum supported resolution, and actual display quality may depend on other factors such as source content and connected devices.

SD Card Reader
Both Predator Helios Neo 18 and Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 come with an SD Card Reader for easy access to memory cards.

Audio Jack
Both Predator Helios Neo 18 and Predator Helios 16 PH16-71 2023 are equipped with a 3.5mm Audio Jack, providing seamless connection to headphones and speakers.

To summarize the connectivity and ports details, please refer to the table below to see them listed.

Connectivity and Ports
WiFi Standard (latest: v7)	v6E	v6E
Bluetooth (latest: v6.2)	v5.3	v5.2
USB-A (latest: 3.2)	3x USB 3.2	3x USB 3.2
USB Type-C (latest: USB4 2.0)	2x USB 3.2	2x USB 4.0
Thunderbolt (latest: 5)	No	Thunderbolt 4
HDMI (latest: 2.1)	1x HDMI 2.1	1x HDMI 2.1
Display Port (latest: v2.0)	No	No
VGA	No	No
Fingerprint Sensor	No	No
Optical Drive	No	No
Audio Jack 3.5mm	Yes	Yes
Ethernet RJ45	Yes	Yes
SD CardReader	Yes	Yes
Proprietary Charging Port	Yes	Yes